2022

Limited Series: 091 ESG Investing with Barney School of Business and Sage Advisory Services

Join the Re/Imagine team, Barney’s faculty, graduate students, and leading thinkers in the sector to explore how technology, science, and entrepreneurship will shape risk management in the future. 

In this week’s episode, we explore and discuss the emergence of ESG (environment, social, and governance) investment and operating strategies. ESG has evolved into a cultural context for management, demonstrating value in the short term and adding value in terms of organizational sustainability and operational agility, and flexibility.

Adoption of ESG criteria is becoming evident in many organizations; – both for-profit and non-profit entities as the paradigms of the past – sacrificing short-term gains for long-term returns has been disproven through academic research. 

While ESG has emerged as a powerful foundation for a resilient culture for organizations, we have to ask, who is the driving force behind ESG? Is it the company or the consumer? Listen to learn more. 

John Thomson, Assistant Dean, Barney School of Business, Anthony Senseman, Student, University of Hartford, Robert SmithPresident, and Chief Investment Officer, Emma Harper, Vice President, Senior ESG Research Analyst, and Andrew Poreda, ESG Investing Expert, Sage Advisory Servicesjoin us to discuss evolving ESG trends and opportunities. 


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https://www.hartford.edu

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Laura Dinan HaberLimited Series: 091 ESG Investing with Barney School of Business and Sage Advisory Services
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Limited Series: 090 Demystifying Blockchain with Barney School of Business and RYSKEX

In this limited series, we will explore the frontiers of risk and innovation. Join the Re/Imagine team, Barney’s faculty, graduate students, and leading thinkers in the sector to explore how technology, science, and entrepreneurship will shape risk management in the future.

The new emerging risk management environment introduces many new business practices such as “smart contracts”; the use of alternative currencies, and expedited claim processes. Blockchain, examined on its own, is emerging as an “operating system” which can facilitate many “businesses-to-business” transactions. Yet it has been almost exclusively associated with cyber currency transactions.

When properly structured and controlled, blockchain transactions offer significant enhancements to risk financing transactions which can be secure, timely, accurate, and reconcilable. So why aren’t we seeing it utilized predictably within the insurance ecosystem?

We dive into these concepts and explore associations between blockchain and the Wild West.

John Thomson, Assistant Dean, Barney School of Business, Alec Boyd,  Student, University of Hartford, and Simon Kolkmann, Co-Founder & CTO, RYSKEX Inc., join us to discuss evolving trends and opportunities.

Learn more about the Barney School of Business: https://www.hartford.edu
Learn more about RYSKEX: https://ryskex.com

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00:00:01:08 – 00:00:12:04

Paul Tyler

Hi. This is Paul Tyler, and welcome to another podcast in a special series that we’re doing for the Reimagine podcast Laura, good to be together again.

00:00:12:16 – 00:00:31:03

Laura Dinan Haber

Yeah, absolutely. Paul. And we’re excited. You know, as you mentioned, it’s a series that we’re running here, and today’s the second conversation taking place in the Innovation and Risk Podcast series, and we’re producing it in partnership with the University of Hartford Barney School of Business. And the conversations really are created to provide insight not just into the how, but also into the why.

00:00:31:10 – 00:00:55:22

Laura Dinan Haber

So as we dig in with these partners at both that Barney School of Business and then also the, you know, showcasing startups, intellectuals, individuals, all advancing the future of finance and in some cases kind of debunking or demystifying things. And today with our conversation around blockchain, I think we’re going to be doing a lot of that. So in studio, we have with us today Simon Kauffman, co-founder and CTO of Risk X.

00:00:56:08 – 00:01:12:08

Laura Dinan Haber

We have Alexander Boyd, founder of the Q Squared Project and a student over at the Barney School of Business. And John Thompson, he’s the assistant dean career ready programs at you heart. Again, great partners in all. And we’re looking forward to the conversation today, you know, with that. Alec, why don’t you open it up?

00:01:13:14 – 00:01:33:09

Alec Boyd

Yeah. Glad to be here. Thank you guys for having me on. Yeah. I’m Alec Boyd. Going to be graduating next year from the party school of Business that you are. I’m the founder or co-founder and president of Squared Project at the University of Hartford. And I’m really interested in all things blockchain. So I’m really glad to be here today.

00:01:35:16 – 00:02:09:09

Simon Kolkmann

Yeah, maybe I’ll go on. My name is Simon. I’m looking at and I’m the CEO of Risk X, and I also co-founded the company And maybe a little bit about my background. I studied computer science, really with the focus on cryptography and I.T. security. So I have a very deep technical understanding of blockchain technology. And I co-founded Risk X, which is a a startup company, a fintech, if you will, And where we do parametric risk transfer sort of in the B2B insurance space.

00:02:09:20 – 00:02:11:05

Simon Kolkmann

B2B insurance space.

00:02:11:14 – 00:02:17:23

Paul Tyler

Excellent. John. So I’m blockchain as digital currency, right? That’s kind of how I should understand it.

00:02:18:17 – 00:02:49:00

John Thomson

Well, unfortunately, that’s sort of the view of of most of the world right now. We’ve become associated like almost one for one that blockchain and, and, and cryptocurrency or Bitcoin are one in the same thing. And yes, while blockchain does enable the transactions to be conducted via cryptocurrencies, it’s applications and it’s possibilities far exceed a direct linkage to cryptocurrencies that we know today.

00:02:49:06 – 00:03:15:15

John Thomson

And they can have a very dramatic impact on business models and how businesses are conducted and particularly focusing on how risks can be financed. And that’s really one of the angles that we are trying to explore and understand is to develop other well-known applications for blockchain. So, Alec, why don’t you open it up and throw out some of the questions that we’ve been talking about that we’d like to get clarification on?

00:03:16:14 – 00:03:29:18

Alec Boyd

Yeah. Yeah. So, Simon, my first question is going to be for you. It’s just what is blockchain? You know, what are some of the principles that this blockchain technology is based on? And why would people want this decentralized, distributed ledger?

00:03:30:05 – 00:03:58:09

Simon Kolkmann

That’s a great question. And I also like the explanation of the distinction between blockchain technology and cryptocurrencies, because blockchain, in the end is a distributed ledger or a distributed database, if you will. And every change to that database has to be validated by everyone who participates in that blockchain network. So you can see that more and more as a as an operating system.

00:03:59:03 – 00:04:27:07

Simon Kolkmann

And this operating system allows users to build applications based on that operating system. So if you hear people say that they have lost money in blockchain, what they probably mean is that they have lost money. Who was speculating on a certain asset that was implemented on the blockchain, for example, Bitcoin or Etherium? Or many of these nifty projects that you hear out there, project that.

00:04:27:08 – 00:04:51:23

Alec Boyd

You’re got it. And I guess a follow up question I would have for you, Simon, is you mentioned early on in your your description there that you could you blockchain sort of as a database. So what what would you say are some of the key differences between a traditional database that people are familiar with today and these blockchain based databases?

00:04:52:05 – 00:05:23:15

Simon Kolkmann

Oh, yeah. Generally from a from a technical perspective, they have very much in common. And the main the main difference is really that traditional databases are usually operated by central authorities. There is one I.T. guy that manages the database, and they can change whatever they like, essentially. But if on blockchain, it’s really about that Distrib fusion of power, distribution of validation tasks.

00:05:24:17 – 00:05:57:04

Simon Kolkmann

For example, if you talk about cryptocurrencies again and if someone sends coin two coins to someone else, it’s very easy to do that with a traditional database, but it can be manipulated. So what you would want is that a decentralized network or many people around the globe validate whether a transaction is correct. For example, if I send 100 coins to you, but I only own five coins, you would expect the network to reject that transaction and say You can’t do that.

00:05:58:09 – 00:06:12:04

Simon Kolkmann

So that’s that’s really my take on the on the non-technical side of the difference between the database and the blockchain. But essentially, really, the blockchain is still a database.

00:06:14:14 – 00:06:23:13

Paul Tyler

And Simon, can you give us some examples in in risk management where blockchain could or should play an important role.

00:06:24:07 – 00:06:48:04

Simon Kolkmann

Oh, yeah, definitely. And because that’s pretty much what we focus on at risk X. And the idea is really we have talked about cryptocurrencies a lot, which are essentially just, you know, there is a there’s some logic in the blockchain. There are some account balances and that blockchain keeps track who has how many coins and people can transact.

00:06:48:23 – 00:07:28:21

Simon Kolkmann

But that’s really just the currency base. So if we start talking about a little bit more complex logic than just transferring coins, then we start talking about smart contracts, which are really just pieces of software on the blockchain that can control currencies. For example, I could create a smart contract and that could be programed so that I, I don’t know, I’m going to lock in funds for one year, for example, so I can send my cryptocurrencies to that smart contract, which is programed to only release these funds after one year.

00:07:29:13 – 00:07:54:07

Simon Kolkmann

So that’s what it does. There’s no way anyone gets these coins before that year has passed. And if we increase their complexity a little bit and don’t say I want to pay out after one year, but instead I want to pay out after certain trigger has occurred, if we talk about parametric insurance for example, let’s say an earthquake risk.

00:07:54:12 – 00:08:40:04

Simon Kolkmann

Let’s talk about catastrophe bonds, for example. And they’re often, for example, in California, and we could say that if we have a an earthquake with the magnitude greater than six, that’s when the smart contract should release the funds. Obviously, that that information about the earthquake and the magnitude must get into the smart contract somehow. But it is really possible to use a smart contract or different tools on the blockchain to really replace the whole structure of cap bonds as they are out there right now in a very secure way, in a very efficient and especially cheap way.

00:08:40:09 – 00:08:41:12

Simon Kolkmann

Especially cheaply.

00:08:42:17 – 00:09:03:09

Laura Dinan Haber

So it sounds like so far there is more transparency, greater transparency, and there’s shared control. There are things such as smart contracts, all of these, in my mind, are positive. What do you think is one of the main reasons that people either resist going on and using blockchain? You know, is it fear, is it misunderstanding? Is it lack of education?

00:09:03:14 – 00:09:05:06

Laura Dinan Haber

In your opinion, why do you think that is?

00:09:06:04 – 00:09:32:07

Simon Kolkmann

Oh, a lot of that is because blockchain produces many new concepts and expects people to think different. For example, an identity in the blockchain is really just a public key. And a private key is I don’t want to explain it because it’s very cryptography based on the technical, but the overall ideas that the private key is sort of like a password.

00:09:33:04 – 00:09:57:18

Simon Kolkmann

And that password should be kept safe. And you cannot change it if you own cryptocurrencies or any kind of asset on a blockchain with your private key and it gets hacked or you lose it, you lose your password. You can never recover these funds like if you lose your banking account data, you just go there, you show your your ID and say, This is me and these are my funds.

00:09:57:18 – 00:10:21:09

Simon Kolkmann

They’ll give it to you But in the blockchain environment, if you use it, if you lose your private key to private, it’s gone. So you can hear many stories about that. People got hacked because they didn’t even know it was all about the private key or they just lost it. Hmm. And then there’s obviously that was pretty much the retail side and private people.

00:10:21:11 – 00:11:01:01

Simon Kolkmann

But if we start looking at how and why businesses could be using blockchain, but and it’s really the the regulatory side because blockchain is very decentralized and you could say democratic, but you could also say it’s very anarchistic. And that’s what we’ve seen over the past decade, pretty much, because everybody can do what they want and everybody can promote a certain cryptocurrency or a certain project and ask people to invest in that project by buying their cryptocurrency.

00:11:01:01 – 00:11:27:12

Simon Kolkmann

Or there are many different things that have happened that even though from a technical side has very high trust level, but the projects that were implemented on the blockchain or the projects that are out there right now really have a very low level of trust. But it’s not the technology that is flawed in that sense. It’s the people and what they do with it.

00:11:28:00 – 00:11:55:17

Simon Kolkmann

So there are many stories about fraud cases and people steal money, et cetera. And and I think that’s what people fear and they don’t really understand it oftentimes, but they read all these horror news about what’s happening and people are losing incredible amounts of money and they lose faith not in that project, but they lose faith in the technology and the technology and the government can’t win.

00:11:55:17 – 00:11:57:05

Simon Kolkmann

You have this government can’t.

00:11:57:05 – 00:12:26:12

Paul Tyler

Really do anything. Yeah. John, you’ve got such a unique background, unique perspective on this now. And, you know, some as you know, is out, every one of these insurance sector are so unique and specific. You know, now we you know, John, you know what we like issue policy is life insurance or annuities are a bunch of checks we make, you know, related fraud, identity you know, I can think of a couple applications like that.

00:12:26:12 – 00:13:07:18

Paul Tyler

Could have been blockchain. But I’m wondering, you know, we have groups that do it today, but putting your regulator or psychology start up. So let’s take one problem. Prescription drugs, we have a database law applies for life insurance. I file with company. She says she’s in wonderful health, never had any problems. We had a prescription database where, you know, Simon, you probably know all these drug companies, all the prescriptions get loaded up in the central system and we check and say, oh, gee, you are such he was not diabetic but you know, here’s insulin or some drug related to that.

00:13:08:09 – 00:13:24:01

Paul Tyler

If we didn’t have that prescription database, John, could that be a blockchain project? Or how do you think about privacy in a situation like this or rights or security? What would be well, is that a business? Would that be a business if it didn’t exist today?

00:13:25:08 – 00:14:13:09

John Thomson

Well, I to me, Paul, I see the opportunity here that while it’s it’s a it’s interesting to think about the comment that Simon made just a few minutes ago about the reasons why people fear blockchain. It’s interesting. I think that commercial businesses in the risk ecosystem, whether it be insurance companies or or intermediaries or reinsurance companies, those participants of that risk and insurance market may also fear that they the power that blockchain has because it becomes very threatening to the state of the world or the state of the business model and the risk and insurance and blockchain has the ability to create and actually it mandates much more transparency.

00:14:13:16 – 00:14:43:06

John Thomson

Yet there’s a lot of business models that are based upon and actually thrive upon the inefficiency in the marketplace today. And blockchain can I see it has some very interesting applications to the current business models of people of risk taking companies and and risk companies that are seeking to manage their risk where but that power comes in and it’s a little bit concerning because it’s very different.

00:14:43:06 – 00:15:04:03

John Thomson

It’s the transparency that they’re people can’t sort of say, no, I don’t take those prescription drugs or I don’t I don’t have those behaviors yet. Actually, now through technology, we have access to a lot more data which can actually prove or disprove those statements. And and that makes a lot of people nervous and really want to push back and say, we don’t want to use it.

00:15:04:03 – 00:15:30:12

John Thomson

But for the insurance industry, it can make it much more efficient. We can make more timely and enhanced risk decisions whether we want to accept a risk or not accept the risk or whether we want to actually place a risk and transfer that risk out. And that’s where I think that blockchain as an operating system actually can transform the industry and actually create better regulation of the industry.

00:15:30:16 – 00:15:42:22

John Thomson

But again, that’s very threatening because certain people are may not trust it, but there’s other people who basically fear it because it can it’s going to require significant change on their business models.

00:15:43:14 – 00:16:06:07

Paul Tyler

Well, yeah. And some of these queries, you know, they cost us, you know, can’t make us up $10 $15. Is this what Laura says to me, true or false? So, Simon, how do you think about privacy in a transparency? Laura said transparency great. Sometimes we don’t want transparency. We want privacy. How does that how do how does that can I go ahead, Alex.

00:16:06:15 – 00:16:27:19

Alec Boyd

Can I jump in on one of these? So I think an important distinction, too, is is you’re asking a very good question about privacy. And you mentioned earlier a typical belief with these blockchains is that they’re kind of anarchy. Right? So, like, anybody can access it, anybody can change it. But that’s not always the case. There’s there’s many different forms of blockchains.

00:16:28:03 – 00:16:48:04

Alec Boyd

So there’s private permissioned, there’s private permission lists. There’s ways to secure a blockchain. So the only participants that you want to let into the system have access to that system. So that kind of addresses the whole trust issue that that you were bringing up, as I see it. But I’d love to hear what Simon has to say about that, too.

00:16:48:04 – 00:17:26:12

Simon Kolkmann

I totally agree. And that’s a very good point, that there are many different ways to use blockchain and also to at least limit the transparency in a certain way. But for the point you made that there is that high level of transparency and trust, but also you want privacy, and this is a very important one. If we start talking about putting personal data on the blockchain, which is pretty much something that will never happen because blockchains are immutable and you can they grow, nothing is ever deleted.

00:17:26:17 – 00:17:59:12

Simon Kolkmann

That happened on the blockchain, which means that if you put personal data on it, it will never be deleted. And that violates a rights to be forgotten. That’s a right that we have. So with these types of use cases, it is very hard to, let’s say, draw the line between transparency and privacy and even if even that blockchains are very transparent and they are, you can see every single transaction.

00:18:00:08 – 00:18:16:23

Simon Kolkmann

But if you look at who has sent one Bitcoin to someone else, the identities are very, very cryptic. So you you don’t read the name. And even someone’s I.D. number or whatever it is incredibly cryptic. Try to be cryptic.

00:18:19:18 – 00:18:52:06

Paul Tyler

Well, let’s push it even further. You mentioned the word immutable, right? Yeah. One hand that’s positive. It’s it’s you already raised the right to be forgotten. Well, the same. OK, that’s interesting. How about security, right? Because, you know, you look at the encryption schemes or the math behind the algorithms today. Now, if if if we’ve created an encrypted blockchain, you know, vintage 20, 22, OK, fast forward five years.

00:18:53:02 – 00:19:03:05

Paul Tyler

We have quantum computing that can crack whatever the algorithm how secure does it stay over time if doesn’t change? You know.

00:19:03:18 – 00:19:35:05

Simon Kolkmann

That’s a how do I think about that? Yeah. And but we should generally probably make one thing clear on a blockchain, nothing is really encrypted, at least not on the on the standard one and things are secured using cryptography. But cryptography is not necessarily only about encryption, but you’re absolutely right. And if you put encrypted data on the blockchain, it’s going to stay there even after the encryption has been cracked.

00:19:35:21 – 00:20:01:19

Simon Kolkmann

So yes, if if quantum computing becomes a lot more advanced and it’s actually actually not just the fact that someone has a quantum computer, but they’re actually willing to start decrypting blockchains or tech private keys or whatever they could do, that’s definitely an issue. The data will always be encrypted and be completely transparent to everyone.

00:20:05:01 – 00:20:06:07

Laura Dinan Haber

So a topic is the right.

00:20:06:07 – 00:20:25:09

Alec Boyd

OK, go for it. No, I was just going to say, is there is there any technologies right now that could that could maybe prevent that? Or would you have to, you know, build a new blockchain technology based off of quantum computing to keep it secure against quantum computers? Or is there methods already being put in place to kind of help secure blockchains from that threat?

00:20:25:10 – 00:21:03:11

Simon Kolkmann

Yeah, the that’s the question the smartest guys and security experts ask every day, because it’s always that it’s called host quantum plus quantum computing. And you you want to make sure that you have algorithms in place that will still be secure once there are quantum computers. So some blockchains allow the cryptographic algorithms to be replaced, which means that once there is a quantum computer and the blockchain could be attacked, the algorithms could be replaced with ones that are secure.

00:21:04:21 – 00:21:26:17

Simon Kolkmann

But that’s really something that is incredibly technical, incredibly complex. And it’s also really about prediction because no one really knows what happens, what quantum computers will be capable of. But it’s definitely something that will be absolutely relevant in ten to 20 years when you get wow.

00:21:26:17 – 00:21:54:17

John Thomson

That’s pretty amazing because that that takes me to Tomorrowland, which is, which is something that, as far as I find very interesting to think about, but one of the things I see, it’s a follow up call back to the question you asked me before is, is the ability for blockchain in its current form to actually add great efficiency to the risk processes that we have, like risk transfer and risk acceptance?

00:21:54:17 – 00:22:32:12

John Thomson

And you know, I’m old enough to know that we grew up in the insurance industry thinking that the insurance premium dollar. $0.65 of that dollar were allocated to paying claims and 35% was it was allocated to paying the expenses associated with the transaction. What we’ve evolved over you know, my professional career in terms of decades is that we really can’t sustain that inefficiency that 35% expense component where of every risk dollar that’s out there or at risk unit if you will.

00:22:32:17 – 00:22:59:16

John Thomson

35% of that unit value is is is allocated to expenses. And blockchain really offers us I think the opportunity to reduce that 35% amount significantly and leave a higher percentage of that risk unit available to those who are either are accepting that risk and that’s where I think it brings great efficiency to the risk ecosystem to do that.

00:23:00:01 – 00:23:36:21

John Thomson

Now clearly there’s a lot of industry that’s evolved over 300 years in that risk and insurance ecosystem that that actually makes money with the inefficiency. But for actually objectively putting the risk out there that this risk blockchain really offers the opportunity to significantly enhance the processes with this blockchain as an operating system and bring great efficiency and improve the the amount of risk units that are actually allocated to finance seeing the event or the adverse event.

00:23:38:14 – 00:24:05:06

Simon Kolkmann

Totally. And that’s just not just for technical reasons. I’d like to make one comment about that. Because in order for you to actually put something that you could call insurance or parametric risk transfer or however you want to call it on the blockchain, you have to simplify it first because you it is not helpful to put a thousand pages insurance policy on a blockchain there’s zero efficiency gains.

00:24:05:16 – 00:24:16:07

Simon Kolkmann

But if you simplify that thing, like to the bare minimum, then Jon, you’re, you’re totally right. It’s going to excel and it’s going to reduce administration costs and structuring costs, et cetera.

00:24:17:19 – 00:24:29:01

Paul Tyler

Yeah. I think the opportunities to drive costs out mean we could offer smaller and smaller policies Jon. Right. I think it opens the door to exactly assurance in a way that we never could up until today.

00:24:30:19 – 00:25:02:09

John Thomson

I like that a concept of micro insurance or micro risk contracts. That’s a very interesting piece because I think what that does then is it opens up a lot more possibilities for risk seeding entities, entities either who own the risk today and want to move it and transfer it. They can do it on a on a faster but more laser focused basis and it makes the risk exception acceptance process on the other end of that transaction faster and quicker and more efficient.

00:25:02:09 – 00:25:23:01

John Thomson

As well. And that’s where I think that I these are the applications that I see that blockchain really brings. And that’s from my that’s my personal interest is that it really opens up a whole new way of of of facilitating these interconnections within the risk and insurance ecosystem.

00:25:24:03 – 00:25:53:22

Paul Tyler

Yeah. Now all of the following along sort of the regulatory dimension. Does regulation help or hurt the blockchain? And I could I could argue both ways. You know, we’ve seen central banks create frameworks, start to build frameworks over the last year or two of the currency. We just saw the executive order from the Biden administration. At the same time, we see Russia and China starting to throw up huge walls, almost creating separate Internets.

00:25:55:08 – 00:26:03:03

Paul Tyler

What are your thoughts? You know, regulators, friends or foe for growth of the blockchain?

00:26:04:07 – 00:26:31:08

Alec Boyd

I I would think in my opinion, they’d be friends. I mean, anything that’s more regulated is going to see more institutional adoption because these large institutions, one of their major barriers to adopting blockchain technology is I think that it’s it’s kind of like the Wild West still. There’s really no regulation in it. And until that regulation comes along, they can only kind of view from the sidelines this this innovation that’s happening.

00:26:31:17 – 00:26:33:08

Alec Boyd

So that’s that’s kind of the way I view it.

00:26:34:17 – 00:26:35:10

Simon Kolkmann

I yeah.

00:26:35:11 – 00:27:03:16

Laura Dinan Haber

I like Alex characterization of the Wild West. Yeah. I wanted to hear what Simon said because in the U.S., of course, that, that, that that that euphemism of the Wild West, we use it all the time. And and how does that translate kind of into the the EU perspective or or living on the border of this perhaps emerging ecosystem of that is that is building in in Europe of, you know, us versus them.

00:27:04:10 – 00:27:34:05

Simon Kolkmann

Yeah, we didn’t have a Wild West, so we just use yours and but we use the same analogy really. And you’re totally right. I also agree with with Alec because it is every project we need just was pure anarchy on the blockchain. And there were so many fraudulent cases and people just rip money out of innocent investors or innocent retail traders or whoever.

00:27:34:20 – 00:28:06:16

Simon Kolkmann

And I think that regulation is totally unnecessary. So that there will be business adoption. So I totally agree with what what Alex said. And, and I also think that it is so regulators tend to overregulate things, especially in Germany, in Germany. But I think that the blockchain as a whole has so many or provide so many opportunities so that even if a certain thing was overregulated, the money will just move somewhere else, somewhere else.

00:28:07:00 – 00:28:40:13

Simon Kolkmann

And so I think regulation is definitely a friend and it’s definitely necessary for business adoption. And what China and Russia are going to do with the technology is very difficult to say. I mean, China, for example, banned cryptocurrencies to to quite some extent some extent it is still possible for for Chinese people to interact with the cryptocurrencies using using virtual private networks or proxy servers or whatever.

00:28:40:13 – 00:28:49:06

Simon Kolkmann

But it’s going to be very difficult. And and I’m curious what the future is going to bring at that point, especially for Russia. For Russia.

00:28:50:15 – 00:29:10:13

Laura Dinan Haber

So staying on the team, the theme, rather, of a future, what do you think some of you know, what are some of the key roadblocks? And we’ve been talking about them along this conversation, but are there are there specific roadblocks that you want to call out that you could see, you know, standing in the way of at least, you know, adoption from a faster perspective?

00:29:11:05 – 00:29:48:19

Simon Kolkmann

Yeah, definitely. And I’d mentioned stable coins. We’ve talked about cryptocurrencies a lot. And most people associate that with Bitcoin ether, you name it. And there are thousands of them and they don’t have sort of a central bank, but it’s purely driven by supply and demand by speculators. So they’re incredibly volatile and far away from stable so there there was the idea of a stable coin, which means that there is some central exchange that issues that stable coin, which is the exact same thing as a cryptocurrency.

00:29:48:23 – 00:30:10:15

Simon Kolkmann

But they say you can give us for every dollar you give us, we issue one coin we give that one coming to you. And whenever you send us back of that coin, we’re going to give you back $1. So that’s the idea of putting Fiat money on a blockchain, to use it inside of the blockchain environment, environment and.

00:30:10:15 – 00:30:16:18

Paul Tyler

Interest. Interesting. So that almost it it takes care of the who’s the central bank issue.

00:30:17:02 – 00:30:39:02

Simon Kolkmann

Yeah, totally. Yeah. I mean, there are still some central authority there that has to manage and issue that currency but there are ways to make that in a distributed way or a decentralized way so that you can actually have a stable asset that you can transact in on the blockchain. And while that’s technically possible already, it still works.

00:30:39:02 – 00:31:10:15

Simon Kolkmann

People transact using USD, for example, which is the U.S. dollar token on the blockchain, or there’s USD from the Gemini Exchange, which was founded by the Winklevoss twins and so there are many of these stable coins out there, but they still lack regulatory approval. So technically that works. But businesses are still very careful to just use some unregulated exchange, put millions of dollars into their custody.

00:31:10:15 – 00:31:27:15

Simon Kolkmann

And just to use that token but I think that’s going to and we will see widespread adoption of a handful of stable coins in the very near future. And I think regulators are already focusing on them well.

00:31:27:23 – 00:31:52:05

John Thomson

That go ahead is pretty amazing to me for me to hear. I mean, Paul, I mean just think about what that does in terms of if we have a stable token or coin which can be used on blockchain, that seems to me to really, you know, to relieve a lot of the questions in this, in the stability and the concerns about using blockchain as an operating system.

00:31:52:05 – 00:32:23:11

John Thomson

If if we can have transactions that are conducted with a stable coin and then we can deal with the second issue in terms of coming up with sort of the simplified contracts, you know, that are associated with the transactions which actually Paul gets to your point about micro contracts that it enables and opens up a whole new world of possibilities with respect to the the risk business that we have in terms of the the transfer and acceptance of risk.

00:32:23:11 – 00:32:38:05

John Thomson

And using this new enhanced operating system versus relying on something that supported an industry that’s 350 years old, it’s kind of it’s really a fast forward movement from my perspective.

00:32:39:15 – 00:32:55:17

Paul Tyler

Oh, it absolutely is now. And time goes fast. We’re at the end of our schedule time, but what a great discussion. I mean, John, what are your you know, what are your takeaways or thoughts you’d want to leave with your audience?

00:32:56:08 – 00:33:25:03

John Thomson

Well, to me, I think as hopefully we can start together by having conversations and dialogs like this is understand that the the concepts of of blockchain and that demystifying it and understanding its power as a as an operating system and Simon, I love the fact that you you gave gave me that new label to use in my thinking and in my conversations to help people understand what it is.

00:33:25:03 – 00:33:50:23

John Thomson

It’s an operating system. But I think that thing that has the opportunity now is to really address the the applications of blockchain and start to build that out, whether it’s in the risk financing or the risk and insurance ecosystem or whether it’s in health care or whether it’s in manufacturing, you know, where you have advanced manufacturing, which assembles components that come from many different places.

00:33:51:13 – 00:34:17:19

John Thomson

Or if you’re looking at transferring you know, life and health risks, it really helps us create sort of the future for conducting the transactions and and doing it in an efficient and effective way and in a way that’s that’s trusted. And people can be confident and not sort of say, I have to leave a margin on the table for perhaps the information not being correct or being true or whatever.

00:34:17:19 – 00:34:43:07

Laura Dinan Haber

You can actually eliminate that portion in the risk financing process and make this risk and world operate in a sort of this fintech and insurtech and new world in a time, and I would be sorry to part, I would be remiss in not asking the question, you know, what is your why here? Why did you get into this and what do you hope for for future?

00:34:44:20 – 00:35:18:16

Simon Kolkmann

I got into this because I’m I’m fascinated by the technology. It is just as John said, the opportunities are incredible for the whole world and not just from a financial perspective. I mean, everything on the blockchain right now is very much financial focused. But I think there’s going to be a lot more use cases. I think there are a lot of opportunities to not just put our business cases on the blockchain and simplify them, but also come up with completely new ways of thinking.

00:35:18:16 – 00:35:35:08

Simon Kolkmann

And I love how creative you can be and with the technology. And every every week I have something that I’ve read about and I think I didn’t know you could do that. So that fascinates and has never stopped since I started learning about it.

00:35:37:04 – 00:35:41:08

Laura Dinan Haber

And Alec, why as a student, how did you get interested and what are you looking forward to?

00:35:42:13 – 00:36:18:02

Alec Boyd

You know, it’s very similar to assignments. I’m extremely interested in the technology. I’ve been fascinated by some of these applications and something in particular that Simon mentioned about how down the line there’s going to be applications that nobody’s even thought of yet. An example I like to use for that is in the early 2000s, you know, late 99, when the Internet was just coming around and was was gaining popularity, nobody would have ever thought that, you know, 15 years, 14 years down the line when Uber comes around, that the Internet has now totally revolutionized the taxi industry.

00:36:18:09 – 00:36:41:11

Alec Boyd

Nobody at that time, in the early 2000s would have thought something like that could happen. And I kind of see us being at the same point right now with blockchain where ten, 15 years down the line from now, there’s going to be applications that, that nobody’s even thought of yet. And it’s that kind of excitement that’s that wants me to be involved in this space because there’s, there’s so many opportunities to build cool products yeah.

00:36:41:12 – 00:36:45:13

Paul Tyler

OK, Laura, your turn. What was your biggest aha. During this discussion?

00:36:46:04 – 00:37:06:09

Laura Dinan Haber

You know, I’ve had several been taking notes the entire time. I would say it’s it’s the Wild West anarchy element. You know, that struck me as interesting. I know that I’m going to be reading more and we’ll be linking to some resources in the show notes. So listeners can do the same, but really getting a better understanding and in a clearer way to explain to people what blockchain is.

00:37:06:09 – 00:37:09:22

Laura Dinan Haber

So for me, those were the two biggest takeaways. Paul, how about yourself?

00:37:10:17 – 00:37:38:08

Paul Tyler

Are the layers, right? The layers involved in driving some of the technology through society and who knows how it will impact us? But I’m with you. I think it’ll be an I think we’ll be shocked not ten years from now, but five years from now. How it’s changed our change our world. So people want to find out more about your company, more about the work you’re doing, what’s where’s the best place to to go.

00:37:39:16 – 00:37:54:07

Simon Kolkmann

And definitely risk scum. And maybe even if there are any questions from the audience or from you, I am on LinkedIn, so feel free to connect and ask questions. Feel free to reach out to me.

00:37:54:16 – 00:38:01:10

Paul Tyler

OK, excellent. All right. Listen, thank you, everybody. And we want to thank our listeners and join us next time.

00:38:04:12 – 00:38:07:00

Laura Dinan Haber

Great. Thank you, Paul.

00:38:07:22 – 00:38:08:11

Alec Boyd

Thanks, guys.

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00:00:01:09 – 00:00:20:13

Paul Tyler

Hi. This is Paul Tyler, and welcome to another episode of the re-imagined podcast. But it actually is a special one and it’s actually unique in that it’s going to be a series, a podcast we’re doing in partnership with Laura. I’ll kick it over to you to talk and introduce our new partner.

00:00:21:02 – 00:00:49:11

Laura Dinan Haber

Sure. And we are happy to have them here today. Today’s conversation, as Paul mentioned, is the first in the Innovation and Risk Podcast series. So we’re producing this in partnership with the University of Hartford, Barney’s School of Business. We have great partners in the Barney School, and Assistant Dean John Thompson is with us and wearing many hats you may recognize him or his voice from previous episodes, but we’ve come together to create educational content that showcases startups, intellectuals and individuals advancing the future of finance.

00:00:49:11 – 00:01:01:02

Laura Dinan Haber

We’re excited about the podcast series, excited about partnering with the Barney School business, the University of Hartford. And now I’ll hand it over to John Thompson to briefly introduce myself and then share with us the guests we have here today.

00:01:02:12 – 00:01:27:00

John Thomson

Great. Well, thanks, Laura. It’s good to be on the podcast with you and Paul again. It’s a great it’s a great vehicle for for for learning and for, you know, addressing, you know, innovations and in in risk and in finance. So anyway, I’m John Thompson, and I’m the assistant dean here in the Barney School. I joined the Barney school three years ago as a practitioner.

00:01:27:10 – 00:01:54:03

John Thomson

I had spent a 35 year career in finance and health care and insurance, and I joined the Barney School here in the as a as a part time teacher and a part time administrator in the in leading the transformation of the Barney School so that I’ll turn it over to Marcus Shimabukuro to introduce himself yeah.

00:01:54:03 – 00:02:29:03

Marcus Schmalbach

Thanks for having me. My name is Marcus. I’m from Berlin, Germany. I’m on two jobs. I’m the CEO of Ryskex, which is a fintech company based in Berlin, but also in New York City. Beside that, I’m a professor for artificial intelligence and blockchain with SFP Business School based in Paris, but also in Berlin. And happy to be here today talking about alternative risk financing it’s great.

00:02:29:03 – 00:02:37:06

John Thomson

And Girik Gnatpole, he’s with us today. Girik is a student a graduate student here at the university. Gary, could you introduce yourself?

00:02:38:02 – 00:02:59:21

Girik Nagpal

Sure thing. Thank you. Professor Thompson. I’m a graduate student. University of Hartford Barney School of Business. Right now, what I’m studying to the door degree program, which entails an MBA and a concentration in accounting and a master of science and business analytics kind of talk about my background. I also did a double major in my undergrad with accounting and risk management and insurance.

00:03:00:06 – 00:03:07:04

Girik Nagpal

So kind of ties in with the role. This the topic is we always talk about finance and risk management and insurance at the same time.

00:03:08:21 – 00:03:09:10

Paul Tyler

Excellent.

00:03:10:23 – 00:03:15:03

John Thomson

Great. Well, Girik. Why don’t you kind of take over and kind of lead our questions?

00:03:16:18 – 00:03:37:08

Girik Nagpal

So I believe because we’re talking about alternative risk finance today, I feel like the first thing that we should kind of jot down is the definition of risk and what we actually mean when we talk about risk, we kind of throw this word around a lot, but it’s really important to see what is actually meant by risk. And then we can move forward into other keywords which entail with this topic today.

00:03:40:11 – 00:04:09:03

John Thomson

I’m really glad you brought up that that distinction, because in the legacy times we used to use the terms insurance and risk almost synonymously or as synonyms and meaning the same thing. And in fact they’re really quite different things risk is basically defined, I think from a textbook standpoint as, as any deviate measured deviation from an expected outcome or event.

00:04:09:23 – 00:04:50:10

John Thomson

There’s two basic types of risk, pure risks and speculative risks. But risk is, is basically that that event is there insurance is a tool for financing risk. It it isn’t the same thing as risk and and it typically finances pure risks which are the downside impacts of of a risk or a risk event. And it’s historically been used as a primary tool for financing risk to transfer from the risk owner which is the company which has the exposures and they can transfer that risk to a third party insurance company.

00:04:50:22 – 00:05:18:19

John Thomson

What’s happened over time is that there’s been this evolution of change of risks and the orientation of risks, and that’s actually starting to change the the risk landscape. So many risks that were previously insurable are no longer insurable. And we’ll talk more about that later. But that’s basically looking at that distinction between risk and insurance and and understanding the differences and how they can still are important.

00:05:18:19 – 00:05:24:02

John Thomson

But they how they interplay and are managed changes is changing significantly.

00:05:25:17 – 00:05:51:05

Girik Nagpal

So given the downturn from what I understand, risk management is probably the bigger question at play, while insurance is only one of the answers to it. And again, we need to kind of open our eyes to more alternative risk financing matters and options as well. Doctor Marcus, in your opinion, though, how do you think that risk management has evolved to respond to this changing understanding of risk to.

00:05:54:23 – 00:06:22:19

Marcus Schmalbach

I guess the risk landscape itself changed a lot. And due to the fact that we have issue that we are living in a digitized, globalized world, the impact is felt globally. Finally, as we may see currently what’s happening in the Ukraine. But you see that all around the world. The impact, I think like that likewise we we saw that with the pandemic, if it would just be in China, would have been an epidemic.

00:06:22:19 – 00:06:53:03

Marcus Schmalbach

But we had a pandemic, a global pandemic for more than two years. And so this is these are risks which can have a really great impact on the balance sheets of companies. And so I guess a completely different two to 50 years of or more likely where the companies are working in silos and maybe in the national area and not in the global linked with each other value chains and supply chains.

00:06:54:04 – 00:07:01:07

Marcus Schmalbach

And so risk is definitely much more on that on the list of a CFO and a CEO when it was ever before yes.

00:07:02:15 – 00:07:20:01

Paul Tyler

Yeah. John, you made a statement, maybe just I’ll double click into that one, which was sometimes risks are insurable and sometimes they shift and they’re not. Maybe you could give us a real example of one where, you know, the dynamics have changed so much that you can’t get insurance for it.

00:07:21:09 – 00:08:03:02

John Thomson

Well, I think there’s there’s a number of examples out there today, one that becomes right too, which is we’re still living through this is the risks associated with a pandemic. It used to be that the you know, it was the events were much simpler and then there weren’t sort of this what Marcus has taught me this actually this perspective of systemic risk and how these risks specifically like the virus risk associated with a pandemic really has a systemic impact on an organization, meaning not only in terms of magnitude but in terms of complexity and figure out how is that actually ultimately impacting the organization.

00:08:03:12 – 00:08:46:03

John Thomson

And, you know, a change has been where there were traditionally in insurance contracts, exclusions for war, for example. But but viruses were never thought of as being something that was excluded and so over time, the insurance industry has had adverse experience from that. And this wound up starting to expand. And most contracts exclude losses related to viruses. And when we have a pandemic like COVID19, which is created by a virus, we have insurance contracts which aren’t designed or intended to respond.

00:08:46:03 – 00:09:15:02

John Thomson

And therefore, that’s an uninsured ball type of a risk or event. Same can be termed, I guess, looking at things like so associated with climate change with with windstorms it used to be with now we have increased frequency and severity of of Atlantic Coast storms coming at us. And and those risks are becoming uninsurable today because of the magnitude and the complexity of those situations.

00:09:15:02 – 00:09:23:08

John Thomson

So there’s another example of a of a risk that’s become uninsurable or only maybe partially insurable now.

00:09:23:08 – 00:09:44:14

Paul Tyler

Well, speaking of winds, I mean I literally had 70 mile an hour winds hit my house last night and lost a chunk of my roof. So it’s happening more and more frequently. And in markets your your scope of risk are you looking at financial risk? Are you looking at health risks? Are you looking at climate risks in your work and the models you’re building.

00:09:48:00 – 00:10:32:16

Marcus Schmalbach

I would say the what we call the top four risks, we are having a closer look on this pandemic terror of war, climate change and cyber. So because we believe that these risks themselves have the hugest impact on the company. And so we are not, let’s say, maybe siloed thinking is a bit rude, but let’s say we are not looking on the food line itself, but more likely, starting from the idea of what is the impact to a company, what could be a real Chapter seven, chapter 11 scenario due to that kind of risks for them and then starting to.

00:10:32:19 – 00:11:03:02

Marcus Schmalbach

Yeah, to find solutions for them to to help them out. Of course, if there’s insurance available let’s buy it. Yeah. Nothing beats a cheap insurance is always said around, but if the insurance comes to an end and there’s no solution on the market available then we jump in and help out and try to create new solutions, alternative solutions for them to cover those risks and cover their balance sheet hmm.

00:11:03:13 – 00:11:24:20

Laura Dinan Haber

So clicking into that one, one level deeper, Marcus, talk to us about what improvements parametric insurance can deliver compared to traditional insurance. are there certain things that stand out and even go one level higher? Do you mind just giving a brief overview on parametric insurance for those who may not have heard it or are less familiar?

00:11:25:06 – 00:12:15:00

Marcus Schmalbach

I frankly, I’m, you know, said parametric insurance. I will talk about that a little later. Why I believe a parametric is not buy 100% insurance solution. So let me try to find the best. OK, let’s let’s start with the traditional insurance. And traditional insurance is based on the law of large numbers and we not normally have an indemnity insurance means I, I have a cover line for let’s say million and my house gets somehow a fire windstorm or whatever and, and I have a claim and then there’s the claim adjustment process and even I cover the million I get maybe by the insurance company 560,000 because this is exactly to rebuild my house so far.

00:12:15:00 – 00:12:40:18

Marcus Schmalbach

So I guess I’m parametric makes it in a bit different way. Parametric says if there’s for example, a windstorm, then this is the trigger event itself. And then you normally at the second trigger and say, the windstorm has been directly in my house and there has been somehow a trigger that has been really occurred that you have a double trigger combination on that.

00:12:41:04 – 00:13:10:19

Marcus Schmalbach

Finally, what parametric solution does not know, let’s say so is a claim adjustment process. This is the major difference between that. So that’s why we do this parametric makes definitely sense when you get hit by something and you need money quick on your banking account. So you you do not have the traditional insurance policy it’s more likely linked with predefined indices and triggers.

00:13:11:06 – 00:13:39:22

Marcus Schmalbach

And if that event occurs, then you get a payout for maybe rebuilding your house or whatever, rebuilding your company a lot of opportunities. So to answer why I said I’m not talking about parametric insurance by 100% there, there are parametric concerns around, but not every single solution, which is parametric in a parametric way created is automatically an insurance.

00:13:40:16 – 00:14:17:15

Marcus Schmalbach

There’s also the the nice effect of parametric is that the capital market understands that because it’s, it’s, it’s if it hit somehow a predefined index or it does not. This is how the financial market is what the more likely you or is right Elizabeth goes the load then I have to pay the other person some money or however and you can adopt that solution the parametric solution to make it attractive for investment banks hedge funds whatever to to yeah to invest in those kind of risks.

00:14:17:15 – 00:14:46:21

Marcus Schmalbach

So from a regulation standpoint parametric must not it must not be an insurance it can be but it must not be an insured. It can also be just the parametric. If we link that to the to the capital market, I would say a risk swap is more likely what also can be in a parametric redesign yeah.

00:14:46:21 – 00:15:15:12

John Thomson

I think it was interesting when I, I, I’ve learned a lot about that from Marcus and one of the things that’s become clear to me is that the the if you’re going to access the capital markets, the alternative capital forms other than insurance, the capital markets have no real understanding or patience with a long 35 page contract that governs whether or not a loss is covered.

00:15:16:13 – 00:15:41:10

John Thomson

They either it happened, the event either happened or it didn’t happen or it happened with an established magnitude that they and they are that’s one. And then number two, it can be independently verified. So there’s really no debate about whether it happened or not. An independent third party can can verify whether it happened or not. And it’s not sort of say, well, maybe the insurance policy will respond.

00:15:41:10 – 00:16:03:04

John Thomson

And and then there’s there’s a significant period of time. The adjustment, as Marcus talked about, that process is very time consuming. And there’s in in in business, you know, time is money. And when someone’s waiting to be paid, their either their business is not getting back in business or they have to find capital to get started to get back in business.

00:16:03:04 – 00:16:22:08

John Thomson

And so it’s important that the two, you know, tools or structures like parametric designs can actually accelerate that reimbursement without a lot of the traditional contractual processes, which are very slow and and cumbersome.

00:16:24:15 – 00:17:02:23

Girik Nagpal

You know, I’d like to kind of go back to the topic of systemic emerging versus you guys definitely answered and hit the right spot when it comes to parametric solutions for deliveries. But like a lot of my work mentions, there’s a pandemic, there’s cyber, there’s climate change. So even if you think about pandemic for one second, if something which is probably low frequency but high severity, so again, the possibility of the frequency might be low, but then again, when something bad like like that hit it’s probably going to be catastrophic and it’s probably going to have a lot of high severity, which is what kind of makes it hard for insurance companies to insure the

00:17:03:00 – 00:17:22:19

Girik Nagpal

risk, which makes it a non insurable risk. Again, even with cyber, which has a lot of relevance even in the pandemic time, because we remember and even right now, everyone, most of the people are still working from home or working remotely. So, you know, when you work from home, not everyone has sophisticated or secured home networks to work through.

00:17:24:01 – 00:17:41:03

Girik Nagpal

So again, that also increases a lot of exposures again and created a lot of risks, which also makes it really hard to cover. Like there are a lot of cyber coverages right now, but to cover it 100%, it’s probably going to be something to think about in the future is probably is probably pretty high right now as well.

00:17:41:23 – 00:18:08:06

Girik Nagpal

Even with climate change. The one thing that I like about Parametric Solutions is that with climate change, some people might believe that climate change is actually something that’s happening. Some people actually don’t believe it’s something that’s happening. But at the same time, because we use the word parametric, that just means that we’re independently verifying something. So again, like you mentioned, Paul, if you had like high winds last night is recorded, it is something that independently verified.

00:18:08:11 – 00:18:24:18

Girik Nagpal

Now, if it ties into the bigger picture of OK, that leads to climate change or it is a cause of climate change, that’s a different discussion altogether. But we can independently verify things which kind of really, I think fast tracked the process of parametric solutions as well.

00:18:28:03 – 00:18:57:01

Paul Tyler

Yeah. And then maybe we could talk a little bit about alternative risks. So those risks that aren’t insurable mm hmm. How do I sort of find coverage? How do I find coverage? I’m a business and I’m a school district. In Maryland, and I don’t want my school. You know, I think what will happen if my school is hacked or I get I’m a victim of ransomware how do I protect myself?

00:18:57:06 – 00:19:12:16

Paul Tyler

You know, now, is this a is this like Gorak, the the 300 mile wind event? I can’t get insurance? Or is it somewhere, somewhere in between you.

00:19:14:01 – 00:19:49:05

John Thomson

Paul? I think that actually Markus could be give us a really good example in terms of the the the sort of his model that Markus and his team have developed that sort of provides a way of of assessing that in terms of giving an independent risk index calculation with respect to the event so that the risk taker can make a decision about the risk and how much they would like to expose themselves to it, much in the same way a traditional underwriter does with an insurance contract.

00:19:50:00 – 00:19:55:00

Paul Tyler

So, Mark, is, can you solve my problem there?

00:19:55:11 – 00:20:18:01

Marcus Schmalbach

But you are right saying there is no insurance. It’s not that easy that you say, oh, no insurance available. So if we find someone with the capital market because they are stupid enough to cover every single thing we offer them. This is this is at the end of the day, of course, not the case. What it’s first of all, nowadays time it’s about big data.

00:20:18:01 – 00:20:43:16

Marcus Schmalbach

Yeah. This is where all these nice publicity interference comes in and where you can model something brand new. And then as Tom already said, you have to find somehow an index which can be hit or not hit because this is the first step to making people outside of the insurance industry getting an understanding what they are investing in.

00:20:44:20 – 00:21:11:17

Marcus Schmalbach

And then, yeah, frankly, it’s a negotiation process. If we talk, for example, the pandemic at Lloyd’s they would tell you a pandemic is a one in a hundred risk means for the underwriter. It happens one. 100. Yes. We had that interesting discussion that even it’s a one in a hundred year risk, it can occur next year again and then for the next 100 years, not anymore.

00:21:11:17 – 00:21:35:04

Marcus Schmalbach

And stuff like that. It does not mean that if it’s a one in a hundred that it can just hit us once a lifetime and we are now free from every pandemic. So this is more likely the major problem of calculating risk like that. And here you have to bring in new models and define new ways of of of treating us which which occur.

00:21:35:12 – 00:22:07:05

Marcus Schmalbach

And then you see what the appetite of the capital market is. If they say, yeah, I cover it for 10% and the company will see policyholders happy with 10% paying against the pandemic because they said, oh, well, 10% is even better than losing 100, then you have a deal more likely if they are saying, well, we do it for 25%, and the company says, Oh no, OK, this is much fine, then you have another opportunity and maybe you define different, tweak us or lower the sum or stuff like that.

00:22:07:13 – 00:22:32:15

Marcus Schmalbach

So to be honest, we are still in these kind of shoes where it’s it’s a tailor made state every single time and not that scalable opportunity, which we are of course seeking for, to say, OK, now we have one single solution which works perfectly for your elementary school, you mentioned or whatever advice, and we can say, OK, this works for every 100 other schools based in Michigan and whatever.

00:22:33:10 – 00:23:14:00

Marcus Schmalbach

And then you have to group the scale up and say, Yeah, this is at the moment it’s really still a tailor made thing. And then negotiation with, with two counterparts. Sometimes I think a company seeking for transfer and risk and the capital market, this may be an interest and an appetite on that because they say, well, it works perfectly with my portfolio because for example, I bet that Brant oil gets up in price and so I’m happy to, to cover something around Europe at the moment because yeah, I have this is more likely a hedging opportunity for me.

00:23:14:12 – 00:23:32:09

Marcus Schmalbach

So frankly, it needs a little different mindset to traditional insurance at the moment. The challenge for every company within Parametric is making it scalable and active for for companies to invest in investment.

00:23:34:00 – 00:24:01:00

John Thomson

Marcus. I like the ones that the kinder kinder shoes I thought I was pretty good because that does pretty much define sort of when you talk about this, people would say a risk would happen and it’s a 11 and 101 in a hundred year event. And if we go back 15 years now, plus to Hurricane Rita and Katrina in New Orleans, both of those events were separate events.

00:24:01:14 – 00:24:33:01

John Thomson

Both of them were actually one in a hundred year events, but they occurred within the same month or two months period, very close. So in the kind of the traditional thinking of when someone would a one in a hundred year event would occur, they the kind of the naive or kinder shoe belief would be, oh, I’m, I’m, I’m clear. I the risk has happened and I’m good for another 99 years before it will happen again.

00:24:33:09 – 00:25:07:06

John Thomson

And we’ve proven now quite in many many examples that a one in a hundred year event can happen multiple times within one year. And it’s just a matter of we’ve got to change this world. We live in. And Marcus has developed this index around what we call VUCA, you know, volatility, uncertainty complexity and ambiguity. And those are factors which really define a very complex risk world in which we find ourselves.

00:25:07:06 – 00:25:21:01

John Thomson

And that’s a way of sort of better categorizing a risk versus the saying is it’s frequency. It really gets focus is more on the sort of the severity and don’t take comfort in the fact that it’s a one in a hundred year event.

00:25:22:13 – 00:25:39:06

Paul Tyler

So VUCA, I love that. I love that. That’s a good word. Oh, Mark, Mark, tell us, how is technology whatever role does technology play in in calculating an index like that and how does that translate into to actual risk markets?

00:25:40:16 – 00:26:06:19

Marcus Schmalbach

Yet, to be honest, if you bring something new to the markets, it must be somehow linked to the blockchain or artificial intelligence thing. Otherwise the people would not believe it’s something new and needed. I so in this particular case, we we use some machine learning things to to grade that about risk index is now close to 80 and it’s more likely programed that way.

00:26:06:19 – 00:26:33:16

Marcus Schmalbach

It is if it was 80% then it’s time to call it unmasked and ask him to take him with you tomorrow because 100% could never you know that then the world is over and frankly, just one more sentence and then I will answer on the tech thing. We, if I go three years back in time I didn’t believe that there will be a war around Europe.

00:26:33:16 – 00:26:58:08

Marcus Schmalbach

I would not believe that there’s a pandemic happening and I’m a believer that the climate change is good for him. We we can discuss if it’s human driven or not human driven, but at the end of the day, we are we are in that situation. OK, so and now another funny thing also, it’s not really funny, but let’s talk about the cyber war thing, which is another thing.

00:26:59:02 – 00:27:24:13

Marcus Schmalbach

I read a lot of articles that the insurers currently say that due to the fact there’s the Ukraine crisis and there are some Russian hackers around that they will not cover any data breach or hacking attack or whatever because they argue that it’s war and terrorism times. And this is in the context. Yeah. Paul, you make I understand that.

00:27:24:13 – 00:27:57:23

Marcus Schmalbach

But as we talk about tech right now, the reason is they are they are more likely. It will be interesting how the judges will what their results will be. But you cannot and this is the fun fact, you cannot say that it’s not done by a Russian hacker. If you get hacked by someone with a proxy server which is on Cayman Island and whatever, you cannot outline where the hacking attack started if it started in Ukraine and Russia, in Caymans, in the US, whatever.

00:27:58:05 – 00:28:16:17

Marcus Schmalbach

So if they’re somewhere why in the world you can always say, OK, was a hacking attack driven by the Russians, for example, means this is another impact for cyber. And so now I’m talking for 2 minutes and you realize that we have war, climate change cyber thing, which does not really works out and the pandemic is still not over.

00:28:17:07 – 00:28:50:21

Marcus Schmalbach

So yeah, this is really a hard impact to the world at the end of the day. And so this is where the tech comes in because for a human or even some human it would be may hard to get all these informations linked. So what you need is a bunch of big data and bringing together and you need some smart data science to, to create somehow an algorithm who brings all these these aspects of the world within within one single algorithm.

00:28:51:06 – 00:29:14:06

Marcus Schmalbach

And then you have to pay trust because no one if someone tells you that you or her shows you the code of a machine learning algorithm, it’s impossible. You have to trust the machine where we are looking every Monday. What what the machine is telling us. But we do not understand what’s happening in the black box. This is why it’s artificial intelligence and not human driven.

00:29:14:16 – 00:29:37:08

Marcus Schmalbach

And so this is another thing some people believe in and say, OK, yeah, why not? It’s tech no more has that more likely given. But of course, there are many people out there who say, OK, I will not ever trust the machine. I want to understand it myself. Why is the book about index now? 75 and why is the premium now 3.4% and not just 1%?

00:29:37:08 – 00:30:01:18

Marcus Schmalbach

If it’s a one in a hundred risk and this is a very interesting thing coming up with this tech and this machine learning added, I guess it will still take some time because the decision makers in the companies, either in the insurance companies or in the financial markets companies or the Fortune companies, they still have their issues in paying trust to artificial intelligence.

00:30:01:18 – 00:30:09:12

Marcus Schmalbach

Or if we talk about artificial intelligence. 98%, we mean machine learning yeah.

00:30:09:19 – 00:30:49:09

Paul Tyler

Girik, John, I’m sure you watched the Super Bowl Marcus scene. What was that, Laura? You told me she downloaded one of those Sports Doodle apps and started making some crazy bets on like what color Gatorade was going to be poured on a certain coach’s head, at what point in a game. It feels to me like, you know, is there is this kind of the future of risk management, you know, where you just happened to see it on the consumer side, it will this ever is this any kind of model, do you think, for the commercial insurance sector you know is insuring this like long risk is will we ever reduce

00:30:49:09 – 00:30:51:18

Paul Tyler

it to, you know, clicking a button on an app?

00:30:52:21 – 00:31:14:11

John Thomson

Well, I think Paul the interesting part is, is that we’ve moved from a world and risk management where when tough times, when things were simpler, when we could sort of live in a world of of sort of basic risk management and basic compliance risk. And we sort of would, you know, look at things from loss minimization and so forth.

00:31:14:11 – 00:31:42:15

John Thomson

And risk management in its infancy was more of what akin to insurance management because that was pretty much the the risk financing tool that was used to manage most, if not all risk or at least all identified risks. But we’ve kind of found ourselves when we rapidly move forward and what we’ve been through. Yes, there’s been a lot of incredible changes that Marcus outlined in the past, you know, 36 months.

00:31:42:15 – 00:32:25:21

John Thomson

But if we go back to 2008 where the with the fight with the financial crisis and the impact of that type of event and then you know, we go back even further to what happened to it with in 2001 with the the World Trade Center and that sort of event that terrorism event. We’ve come through some very turbulent and very catastrophic type of events in the past 20 years that have have necessitated us to take a different approach and risk management has had to elevate it to a much higher level where risk management was done by that insurance manager who was in the basement and is now has to be risk has to be managed

00:32:25:21 – 00:32:58:00

John Thomson

in the C-suite and at the board of directors tables. And because of the impact that risk can have on an or on an organization, particularly on its balance sheet and the assets on its balance sheet. So it requires a lot more involvement, engagement, more sophistication using new technology to help map out the future or understand the roadmap in terms of where we are and how do we protect the assets that our organization has that belong to our shareholders?

00:32:58:00 – 00:33:36:13

John Thomson

And what happens if they’re not insured? It could be catastrophic and that takes this whole new having this culture of risk and risk management where it’s everyone’s job all the way from the boardroom down to the mailroom if you will. So it’s a very interesting time we find ourselves in. And sort of in my opinion, it really brings these new dimensions of risk and risk financing that organizations like Marcus’s are have developed that will help complement what we’ve done in the past, but actually reflect the this is exaggerated risk world in which we live in today.

00:33:38:05 – 00:34:05:12

Paul Tyler

And markets just keep on that threat of financial risk I think it’s just currency or extra risk. You know, we’ve had lots of questions, you know, come in, you know, from media around Bitcoin. Oh, my gosh, it’s so risky. Well, look, you know, two weeks ago or three weeks ago. Hmm. More risky to hold Bitcoin or rubles, you know, fast forward today, it’s like, wait a second, two weeks, the entire calculus has changed.

00:34:05:12 – 00:34:26:10

Paul Tyler

I wouldn’t necessarily have the two of those yeah. How did how does time factor into your your equation? Because it certainly can’t be point in time risk for Volker. It’s got to have a some type of a refresh rate. You know, what is that refresh refresh rate today?

00:34:28:05 – 00:34:53:23

Marcus Schmalbach

Yeah. And what we see is that the clients sometimes ask for for a single events like you mentioned the Super Bowl, and I’ve watched it, I with them and they do so of course there are single events like a Super Bowl where something was such a specific risk where we did not cover anything with the Super Bowl but but we have seen on yeah.

00:34:54:04 – 00:35:20:22

Marcus Schmalbach

Something coming up with the Olympic Games. 24 in Paris for example. So this is sometimes really where where the clients come along and say, OK, for this special period of one night, four or five days, whatever we would love to cover this and that. And there then the tech comes in and you need to somehow create a premium which works for 44 for both parties.

00:35:22:17 – 00:35:52:13

Marcus Schmalbach

The longest. Yeah. Solution we covered is five years and which is frankly and typically normally not normally you provide for one year maximum and then you have to do a renewal like in the insurance industry like twice. And yeah, we, we use some tech then to say after year, OK, does did we have some change? Yes. The risk is getting higher, getting lower bid.

00:35:52:13 – 00:36:20:22

Marcus Schmalbach

So the fair price would be this and that as we are independent. So for us it’s just giving both parties and advice and if they are not happy with that, maybe they look for another one or they find their own price together. We are persisting them with some technology driven data information and assist them with finding the right price and if I have the choice between Bitcoin and ruble, I would maybe not invest in one of those.

00:36:28:01 – 00:36:49:02

Laura Dinan Haber

So it’s a fair statement. So as we wrap up the conversation today and I know we can keep going and we’ll just have to add on another episode within the series, but I’d be curious to hear, you know, Marcus, for your perspective, what is your why why did you get into this? What gets you excited to wake up every morning and talk about, you know, the work that you do and how important it is.

00:36:50:13 – 00:37:17:14

Marcus Schmalbach

Or that’s a really great question. I’ve learned that there are two kinds of people out there, the why and the how people and maybe I spend too much time in my life doing the how and less looking for the whys. But yeah, as I said before, I’m working as a professor as young as scientific group and guy. I love this question why and not really the how and yeah, that’s it more likely.

00:37:17:14 – 00:37:47:22

Marcus Schmalbach

And I started my career within your degree, Allianz whatever I of 15 years within our industry. So I think I have a clear understanding of our industry. But I saw that there is something beyond the insurance. I will, I will just want to underline insurance is a wonderful solution for 95% of whatever risks assisting out there. But there are some risks like the blue car bonds who cannot be insured and not because the insurers do not want that.

00:37:48:06 – 00:38:20:09

Marcus Schmalbach

But they are there and they have a huge impact if they occur. And this was the major question, as you mentioned, when I wake up in the morning and ask myself, how can we provide that? And this is more likely becoming my passion, since for years now bringing together new technological opportunities we have and finding solutions for these systemic suka emerging, whatever you name that risks which are not on a traditional insurance landscape insurance.

00:38:21:16 – 00:38:25:03

Paul Tyler

Excellent gear. OK, any final questions or thoughts?

00:38:25:23 – 00:38:50:01

Girik Nagpal

Yeah, definitely. I feel like when we talk about the future, the future definitely here because we have so much going on the last couple of years. Like, you know, like we mentioned pandemic, we mentioned the war scenario, we mentioned cyber again, cyber is just so much out there with our kind of dependent on technology that, you know, every relevance, whether it be pandemic, whether it be data breaches, cyber, it’s kind of just kicks in as it is.

00:38:50:09 – 00:39:11:14

Girik Nagpal

So there’s just so much to keep on learning and kind of a costuming or insurance policy or even the way we kind of finance our risks. I think we got to have we got we have to give it another thought as to kind of reevaluating the current situation with, OK, we have so many different kind of risk. The same is not the same.

00:39:11:14 – 00:39:35:09

Girik Nagpal

The environment’s on the same anymore. There’s just so much more to deal with at this point right now. I feel like there’s just so many different kinds of risk. So I think one of the other interesting articles I was actually reading once was about the soccer player, Roman Abramovich. Which he actually has a multibillionaire like insurance policy for sanctioned risks.

00:39:35:18 – 00:39:56:20

Girik Nagpal

So again, that’s another thing to think about with everything going on. So again, are we going to be able to, you know, insure everything? But then there’s also the question about the non or charitable risk at the same time, so I feel like what we need is more of like a new perspective in the industry, you know, in the in the capital markets, in the insurance industry itself.

00:39:57:04 – 00:40:17:22

Girik Nagpal

And I feel like even from my own personal perspective, we need a new perspective from even the student perspective. You know, like when we are teaching our students about our and my risk management insurance, we have to emphasize that, OK, yeah, there’s so much going on in the news regarding insurance, but the bigger picture is always going to be about risk management is not going to be about insurance.

00:40:18:06 – 00:40:36:18

Girik Nagpal

Just because it’s the big industry right now does not mean that’s the bigger or overall thing to look at. Again, we have to tap into capital markets to even finance risk. So it’s going to be about having a new perspective is what I believe in the industry and professionals and students kind of.

00:40:36:18 – 00:40:37:07

Marcus Schmalbach

Overall.

00:40:37:18 – 00:40:44:14

Paul Tyler

Well, new new perspectives. And John. Right, that that’s what we hope to bring here. Do you want to take us home?

00:40:45:09 – 00:41:06:10

John Thomson

Well, yeah, sure. I mean, to go back to the original question, it’s great to work with Marcus and particularly with Garrick here at the university, but I’m sort of a how guy in a Y world. And that’s that’s kind of my you know, that’s what I enjoy being in a university setting, which is really all about why. And I love asking the hard questions.

00:41:06:10 – 00:41:26:14

John Thomson

And it’s great to be able to interact with people like Marcus who think about why. And he can teach me about how things work and then have students be able to interact with students like Garrett can sort of say, we need to come up with new perspectives which start to bring the how and the why together. They don’t exist independently.

00:41:26:14 – 00:41:40:17

John Thomson

They actually coexist today. And I think that’s sort of a lot of what we realized is as things don’t live in discrete boxes and in discrete places and everything starts to impact each other, and that creates a very interesting and challenging new world.

00:41:41:19 – 00:42:00:21

Paul Tyler

Well, hey, this is great. Hey, listen, we look forward to a religion and journey. You know, John, as we dove deeper into the world of risk management, which, by the way, is not all is insurance. So thanks for joining us. And tune in again for another interesting discussion. Thanks.

00:42:01:07 – 00:42:02:22

John Thomson

Great. Thank you, Paul. Thank you.

00:42:03:03 – 00:42:04:02

Paul Tyler

Marcus. Thank you.

00:42:04:16 – 00:42:04:22

Marcus Schmalbach

Paul.

00:42:05:23 – 00:42:07:15

Girik Nagpal

Thank you.

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Laura Dinan HaberLimited Series: 089 Alternative Risk Financing with Barney School of Business and RYSKEX
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088 Providing Smarter Answers to Employee Benefit Questions with Healthee

Seeking information regarding your health coverage can be difficult. Healthee empowers employees by providing a seamless experience that enables participants to access, understand, and maximize their health and wellness benefits. All without waiting on hold. In this episode, Wendy Hipsky, Head of Sales, Healthee, Jackie Bamman, Chief People Officer, and Gillian Maccarone, Human Resources Generalist, Nassau Financial Group,  discuss how AI aids in solving the health insurance and wellness puzzle for employers and employees. 

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087 Lessons in Bootstrapping and Corporate Innovation with James Benham

James Benham joins us to discuss his rules for success. In case you don’t James, we would describe as serial entrepreneur, CEO of JBKnowledge, TerraClaim, and Smart Compliance. You may also know him as the host of the ConTech Crew or The Insuretech Geek Podcast with our friend Rob Galbraith. Today he shares with us his rules for successfully bootstrapping an Insurtech startup without taking VC money. He also lays out 5 principles for successfully introducing innovation into the corporate environment.

Links mentioned in the show:

www.jbknowledge.com
www.terraclaim.com
www.smartcompliance.co
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086 Protecting Families Through Machine Learning-Led Client Retention with Neeraja Rasmussen, Spyglaz

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Some people say that life insurance is one of the noblest gifts for others. A person who purchases a policy usually won’t benefit from it – but their surviving spouse and children will. Everyone in the insurance industry wants the policy to be in force when it’s really necessary.

Unfortunately, the person who purchased the policy may let the policy lapse – sometimes intentionally and other times not. Today, Neeraja Rasmussen, CEO of Spyglaz, and Susan Zophy, Chief Service Officer for Nassau Financial Group Financial talk about their innovation partnership, and the value of leveraging machine learning to predict future customer behavior and needs. The discussion also offers a lens into the challenging process of finding and keeping new customers as a startup. Listen along as we discuss the three things a startup has to do in order to become a valued tool and accepted partner.

Learn more about our guests:

Neeraja Rasmussen is the Founder of Spyglaz, a machine learning platform for customer retention and growth, serving the Life/Annuity Insurance and Asset Management industries. Spyglaz uses machine learning to predict the next best action for better customer conversations, which distribution partners are most likely to grow over time and early asset retention opportunities. They do this through a rapid adoption process that does not require backend integration, does not touch legacy systems, and starts delivering value within 4 weeks.

Before founding Spyglaz, Neeraja spent 20+ years managing customer retention/acquisition programs for financial services and technology companies. She has 10+ years of experience building global teams from the ground up, with hands-on experience developing customer-first programs for both Fortune 500 and SMB companies. She’s an advocate/speaker on building racially diverse ecosystems that recognize the value delivered by women and minority entrepreneurs.

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Laura Dinan Haber086 Protecting Families Through Machine Learning-Led Client Retention with Neeraja Rasmussen, Spyglaz
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085 Solving Use Cases for the Smallest Agents and the Biggest Carriers with Robby Allen

Robby Allen, VP of Sales, AgentSync, joins hosts Paul Tyler and Laura Dinan Haber on this week’s episode of the Re/Imagine Podcast. The conversation meanders from innovation to the future of technology; to mainline insurance companies in the retirement space where agents are needed to complete a sale. Learn how AgentSync minimizes producer management costs and prevents regulatory violations before they occur.

Bonus: Discover how one successful ‘failure’ led to the creation of insurtech’s newest unicorn. 🦄

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084 Pensionizing the 401(k) Plans with Trevor Gary

Trevor Gary, Founder & CEO, Micruity joined hosts Paul Tyler and Laura Dinan Haber in this week’s episode of Nassau Re/Imagine‘s Innovation Hour. The episode is chocked full of insight into pensionizing the 401k plan and what might be the one tip that could save founders from shutting off the lights early.

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“The decline of defined benefit pension plans has left a retirement savings gap that will grow to $137 Trillion by 2050,” said Trevor Gary, Co-Founder and CEO of Micruity.
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